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that formerly sacred and untouchable deduction is on the table for fiscal cliff talks. that costs the government $100 billion a year. you know they're looking at every rock for revenue. it would take buyers away from the house market and it could be devastating to the economy. we have lindsey piegza and dan mitchell, from the cato institute. welcome to you both. lindsey, let me start with you. we shouldn't be surprised everything is on the table here, right? >> sure. but this is a big potential problem. it would no doubt cause prices on homes to fall? liz: to rise? >> i'm sorry. liz: if you took the mortgage deduction it would cause prices to rise. >> we would see prices fall because the demand for homes would teeter. this is big decision whether deciding to rent or purchase. you remove that incentive people will drop out of the marketplace. all of sudden a lot of potential homebuyers would-be homebuyers drop out of the marketplace and cause decline in prices up to 10%. this could really undermine any momentum we've seen in the housing market as of late. liz: that is in
that formerly sacred and untouchable deduction is on the table for fiscal cliff talks. that costs the government $100 billion a year. you know they're looking at every rock for revenue. it would take buyers away from the house market and it could be devastating to the economy. we have lindsey piegza and dan mitchell, from the cato institute. welcome to you both. lindsey, let me start with you. we shouldn't be surprised everything is on the table here, right? >> sure. but this is a big...
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cliff talks. do you think anyone is serious about that? >> well, there needs to be. medicare is the largest growth in expenditure in the federal budget. if we don't reform the way that we pay of medicare it's going to be one of the things that breaks the bank and makes us unable to meet our obligations, so we absolutely have to reform it. the legislation that i wrote back in 2010 that we passed a bipartisan support and signed by the president went after something that everything to everybody is against. gerri: let's get to that in the second. i just want to spend one more second of this idea. the senator from illinois saying on tv that he would like to see 400 billion entitlement cuts, the vast majority of the savings, all of it coming from medicare. is that the right amount? more, less? >> its plan to have to be more overtime. at least the democrats are talking about something. the fastest-growing part of the budget. 85 percent of the federal budget is medicare, medicaid, social security defense
cliff talks. do you think anyone is serious about that? >> well, there needs to be. medicare is the largest growth in expenditure in the federal budget. if we don't reform the way that we pay of medicare it's going to be one of the things that breaks the bank and makes us unable to meet our obligations, so we absolutely have to reform it. the legislation that i wrote back in 2010 that we passed a bipartisan support and signed by the president went after something that everything to...
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>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal reserve is drunk. while back the fed is distorting the bond work it. dagen: does it make sense that the fed is likely to continue the bond buying into the next year? does that make any sense on the planet? >> well, look, i thought qe1 was absolutely essential. qe2 i understood why we did it. qe3, i do not get it. i think the fed is making a mistake here. they could have achieved the same or even a better objective by following a different policy. this is the path we are on. doctor bernanke is obviously completely preoccupied with the risks of having a depression and he is throwing as much mon
>> everyone talks about the fiscal cliff. i referred to it as the fiscal speedbump. no matter what happens, we are not going to revert a tax increase in some kind of drag on economic activity next year. even if there is no grand bargain that we are all talking about, the shrinking of the federal deficit, whether by spending cuts or tax increases, it will be a drag on economic growth for the next few years. dagen: is that what you have 1.63 roughly on the ten year? >> the federal...
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tracy: we're going inside the president's latest round of talks on the fiscal cliff. governor gary herbert of utah joins us next. ashley: we'll hear what he has to say. take a look how the dollar is moving right now against some of these foreign currencies, the euro, the pound, the canadian dollar. mexican peso. yes, they are all moving higher today against the good ol' greenback. we'll be right back ♪ [ male announce] how could witchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum producon in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understandhe connections of a complex, global onomy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with condence. request a prospectus or summaryrpectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider cefully before investing. if you're a man with low testosterone, the only underarm treatment for low t. that's right, the one you apply to the underarm. axiron is not for use in women or aone younger than 18. a
tracy: we're going inside the president's latest round of talks on the fiscal cliff. governor gary herbert of utah joins us next. ashley: we'll hear what he has to say. take a look how the dollar is moving right now against some of these foreign currencies, the euro, the pound, the canadian dollar. mexican peso. yes, they are all moving higher today against the good ol' greenback. we'll be right back ♪ [ male announce] how could witchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum...
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>> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. ifou drill down on the details, as soon as i saw 800 billion in new x revenue, my immediate question did they give on the point of marginal rat d from the language it doesn't look like. more a tax code basically closes loopholes. they employ all the euphemisms to say you will get rid of deductions. sounds like that is where the 800 billion in new revenue isoming from. they didn't give on marginal rates at all. >> that is good news but only good news in the nse we're not traveling as fast in the wrong direction. you're tal
>> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending....
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no progress on the fiscal cliff and no plans to even talk about it. when will the white house and congress get serious about making a deal? tracy: on december 31st. dennis: the president is taking to twitter. we'll the latest all hour. tracy: fears of higher taxes caused tax-free muni bonds to popularity but is it too late to find any bargains? jack hough says no. he tells us where the deals are. dennis: the looming fiscal cliff doesn't seem to stop americans from buying new cars. edmunds analyst jessica caldwell breaks down a surprising strong month for automakers but will it last? tracy: time to check stocks as we do every 15 minutes. we head down to the lauren simonetti on the floor of the new york stock exchange. they are slipping but just off the lows of the day. >> off the lows of the day. but the dow and s&p 500 giving up about a third of a percent each right now. the nasdaq is down three points. off the lows. the low for the dow this session is 12,969. we're a little above it but seems like the market wants to end the day in the red. we got co
no progress on the fiscal cliff and no plans to even talk about it. when will the white house and congress get serious about making a deal? tracy: on december 31st. dennis: the president is taking to twitter. we'll the latest all hour. tracy: fears of higher taxes caused tax-free muni bonds to popularity but is it too late to find any bargains? jack hough says no. he tells us where the deals are. dennis: the looming fiscal cliff doesn't seem to stop americans from buying new cars. edmunds...
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that's the way it will be for much of december, unless there's a huge headline on the fiscal cliff talks. back with the mayor of phoenix trying to lure people away from california. stuart: businesses in california fleeing that state, tax rates, cost of doing business just too much. one place they are going to phoenix, arizona. here's why, according to the phoenix economic council, operating costs are 40% lower than in california. arizona so attractive to business that in the last eight years more than 60 california companies have relocated there. phoenix mayor greg stanton joins us right now. your honor, welcome to the show. good to have you with us. >> great to be on, thanks for having me. stuart: okay, now, you have got a great climate, understand that. your costs are 40% lower, but i want to know, did you prize those california companies over to you by giving them huge tax breaks? >> we want to make sure in arizona that we are as competitive as possible. stuart: is that a yes? programs, tax incentives, but look, a company is not going to move, a company is not going to expand in arizo
that's the way it will be for much of december, unless there's a huge headline on the fiscal cliff talks. back with the mayor of phoenix trying to lure people away from california. stuart: businesses in california fleeing that state, tax rates, cost of doing business just too much. one place they are going to phoenix, arizona. here's why, according to the phoenix economic council, operating costs are 40% lower than in california. arizona so attractive to business that in the last eight years...
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and these fiscal cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how they might accommodate health care reform. he said they would have to go ahead and use many more part-time workers because obamacare was simply too expensive. there was a big backlash against that. so he is going to have to go ahead and, as a result, they are going to keep full-time workers on. they're stuck with the cost of obamacare. he also said, they're having a tough time, people aren't coming into the restaurants because the economy is bad. so in my mind he spoke out. he got punished for it. at the same time the economy is terrible. he is really struggling. at the
and these fiscal cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how...
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and the so-called fiscal cliff dominating debate in washington d.c. a lot of talk. what about the finances in state capital all across the country? folks are kind of ignoring another source of -- well, let's say inched. take a look at some of the worst offenders in the "chalk talk" here next. stay with us. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] e mercedes-benz winter event is back, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lea a 2013 ml350 for $599 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. now we need a little t more... [ male announcer ] at humana, we understand the value of quality time and personal attentn. which is why we are proud to partner with health care professionals who understand the difference that quality time with our meers can make... hat's a very nice cake! ohh! [ giggles ] [ male announcer ] humana thanks the physicians, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists and other health professionals who helped us achieve the highest average star rating among national medicare companies... and become the first and only nat
and the so-called fiscal cliff dominating debate in washington d.c. a lot of talk. what about the finances in state capital all across the country? folks are kind of ignoring another source of -- well, let's say inched. take a look at some of the worst offenders in the "chalk talk" here next. stay with us. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] e mercedes-benz winter event is back, no matter which list you're on. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lea a 2013 ml350...
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all the talk about we can't fall off the fiscal cliff, we say why not? it may not be the worse option? maybe it is. none of them stop the problem. we'll take a look. here to crunch the numbers, stephen hayes, fox news contributor and writer for "the weekly standard." thanks for coming on to brave the math. both sides get so emotional here. it is not about emotion, it is about the numbers and what will save this country. looking at the real numbers on the fiscal cliff. we projected it out over 10 years if we show you the big full screen we made and numbers look pretty scary from a tax perspective there. if we went over the fiscal cliff it would increase taxes 5.6 trillion. that is 10-year period. fairly say no one believes we would stay on the road for 10 years. i want to do it so you do side by side comparison. spending cuts 1.2 trillion. the president wants to raise taxes 1.6 trillion. cut spending by 600. the house plan looks like sort of a flip-flop of that. what do you think of all these numbers. what do you make of it? what is your first impression?
all the talk about we can't fall off the fiscal cliff, we say why not? it may not be the worse option? maybe it is. none of them stop the problem. we'll take a look. here to crunch the numbers, stephen hayes, fox news contributor and writer for "the weekly standard." thanks for coming on to brave the math. both sides get so emotional here. it is not about emotion, it is about the numbers and what will save this country. looking at the real numbers on the fiscal cliff. we projected it...
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so while we're stuck on thinking about tax rates increases versus revenue, this fiscal cliff issue much larger. talks about the debt ceiling and what that means for next year. treasury saying that sometime early next year they will run out of those extraordinary measures and the u.s. will have to raise the debt ceiling or default. back to you. ashley: very good point. rich edson in d.c. thanks very much. tracy: our next guest says, forget taxes. washington needs to focus on cutting entitlement spending if we want to prevent a battle between old and young americans. diana further got roth, senior fellow at man hat taken institute and joins us now. diana, seems to me raising the retirement age is the simplest thing you could do yet we're not talking about that. >> well, we certainly should be because part of the deficit problem, a great part, is entitlements, social security and medicare, keep adding fiscal burdens as people's live expectancy increases and it's great that people are living longer but when social security was first thought of the life expectancy was only 67. now it is arou
so while we're stuck on thinking about tax rates increases versus revenue, this fiscal cliff issue much larger. talks about the debt ceiling and what that means for next year. treasury saying that sometime early next year they will run out of those extraordinary measures and the u.s. will have to raise the debt ceiling or default. back to you. ashley: very good point. rich edson in d.c. thanks very much. tracy: our next guest says, forget taxes. washington needs to focus on cutting entitlement...
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in the fiscal cliff debate? >> in the fiscal cliff, no. it will take strong leadership that has yet to set forward. in my life, i would love to see the ending of all these poverty programs transformed into job creation, making people go to work or else they are on their own. liz: you are a fascinating voice in this debate. thank you very much. dennis: he is my new contrarian hero. that was a great interview. christmas is starting early for congress. the house of representatives is homeward bound. cheryl: they are leaving town despite the fact we are nowhere close to a deal on the fiscal cliff. what is going on, rich edson? "imus in the morning" rich: house republicans will host the events with small business leaders in their districts and highlight what republicans say will be the economic damage small-business from raising income-tax rates on families earning $250,000 a year. president obama is leaving washington too though he is only heading across the potomac river, going to suburban virginia to speak to a mi
in the fiscal cliff debate? >> in the fiscal cliff, no. it will take strong leadership that has yet to set forward. in my life, i would love to see the ending of all these poverty programs transformed into job creation, making people go to work or else they are on their own. liz: you are a fascinating voice in this debate. thank you very much. dennis: he is my new contrarian hero. that was a great interview. christmas is starting early for congress. the house of representatives is...